beardstrokes: (All warfare is based on deception)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-02 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
[ He chuckles, turning off his lightsaber. ]

This blade couldn't execute anything. I just like having it around.
therewillbeorder: ([9])

[personal profile] therewillbeorder 2016-07-02 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
[Hux is less than amused. What is it about Jedi and wannabe Sith Lords that make his eye twitch. It took every effort not to let this show however.]

This is the first time I've met a Jedi in person and I can't say I'm very impressed so far, Obi-Wan.
beardstrokes: (The noble overcome)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-02 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
That would imply that I'm trying to. Jedi don't exist to impress the populace of their skills. Why would I try to impress one general?
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[personal profile] therewillbeorder 2016-07-02 07:02 am (UTC)(link)
I merely am starting to understand better why the Jedi were so easily wiped out during the Purge.

[The remark is said casually but the expression in his gaze is cold.]

And why there are none of you left in my time.

[At least, once they got rid of Skywalker but that was a matter of time really.]
beardstrokes: (The young are often underestimated)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-02 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
[ Obi-Wan is vaguely bemused. Perhaps a few months ago, that would have gotten a rise out of him but Obi-Wan is still a Jedi Master. ]

Really? Then let's hope the pattern doesn't repeat itself. After all, the Empire also fell, didn't it? Interesting how a single Jedi made that possible.
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[personal profile] therewillbeorder 2016-07-02 07:47 am (UTC)(link)
And then that Jedi ran and hid from the world. He hasn't done anything to stop anything.

[Hopefully Kylo Ren can manage at least this much, otherwise things could become even more complicated.]

Though my father used to admire the Jedi Order once, how you recruited and trained from such a young age to inspire greater loyalty and dedication.

A pity it didn't save the Jedi in the end.
beardstrokes: (Fear is a malleable weapon)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-02 07:50 am (UTC)(link)
I can't speak for Luke Skywalker. After all, I knew him briefly.

[ The change of topic surprises him. ]

No, loyalty was our downfall in the end. Or so I hear. How much do you actually know about the Jedi?
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[personal profile] therewillbeorder 2016-07-02 08:02 am (UTC)(link)
[He may not think much of the Jedi but he can acknowledge that once they were a force to be reckoned with even if they are outdated now. He made sure of that.]

My father served in the Clone Wars under the command of a Jedi before his promotion by the Emperor. And I studied the history of the Jedi Order available through the Imperial archives since I was a cadet.
beardstrokes: (To the tree of evil)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-02 08:04 am (UTC)(link)
I doubt those records are as . . . complete as you'd like them to be. I don't suppose you know which Jedi your father served under?
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[personal profile] therewillbeorder 2016-07-02 08:14 am (UTC)(link)
If he mentioned a name, I couldn't recall it. [Hux took a moment to adjust the cuff of his uniform, appearance was always important even in moments like these.]

Then tell me what what the records might have omitted concerning the Jedi.

[It was always wise to learn about one's enemy after all.]
beardstrokes: (Balance is found)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-02 08:15 am (UTC)(link)
[ The history of the Jedi is buried. There's nothing there that could lead to Luke or this new power - this Rey that Finn talks about. ]

Certainly. But are you willing to believe it? You do have a very fixed view on what took place.
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[personal profile] therewillbeorder 2016-07-02 08:18 am (UTC)(link)
I am willing to listen.

I know what took place, I know the legacy of the Empire in the galaxy. That will not change.
beardstrokes: (Always reflects where we come from)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-02 08:20 am (UTC)(link)
That remains to be seen.

[ Still. . . ] What most people don't know about the Clone Wars is that it was orchestrated to reduce the Republic along with the Separatists. And to slowly erode away the Jedi's reputation.
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[personal profile] therewillbeorder 2016-07-02 08:31 am (UTC)(link)
And who would do that? [The Emperor had only wanted what was best for the galaxy, Hux doubted that he would be the one to set such a plot in place.]

You make it sound like a master plot in order to destroy the Republic.
beardstrokes: (He who seeks to control fate)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-02 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
Only the enemy of the Jedi. Someone with the ability to manipulate both the Separatists and the Republic. The Separatists were heralded by Dooku, a known Sith Lord. So was the Republic.

And the First Order as well, from what I hear.
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[personal profile] therewillbeorder 2016-07-02 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
So your claim is that the Sith caused the war instead of it being a consequence of the weak state of the Republic and the Senate? You cannot deny what the Emperor accomplished though.

[He didn't learn this in the Academy and he's not sure he really believes it now.

Hux managed to keep his reaction contained, forcing himself to hide any surprise at the mention of the Supreme Leader. Not many had met Snoke outside of the senior leadership.

Even Hux was in the dark about who Snoke really was or his abilities despite the fact his father was a founding member of the Order.]


Our leader is similar to the Emperor- someone who is willing to do what is necessary to bring the galaxy under a stable government once more. It doesn't matter if he is a Sith or not.
beardstrokes: (But it must be earned)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-02 08:54 am (UTC)(link)
No. It was certainly a consequence of the state the Senate and the Republic was in. But even that doesn't result in the collapse of an entire galactic democracy.

Doesn't it? [ His voice is bland. ] He may do what is necessary but can he accomplish it? Or does it not matter as long as you're not the one in the line of fire?

The Republic waned but it had four thousand years of peace. So clearly something worked. Is the First Order working?
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[personal profile] therewillbeorder 2016-07-02 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
If the Emperor put the Republic out of it's misery in it's death throes then perhaps it was a mercy killing.

Just because something worked before doesn't mean it's meant to be held onto when it no longer functions.

[Hux raised an eyebrow at that.]

I've served the Order for almost 20 years and yes, I've been in the line of fire. My troops serve on the front lines so I can say with certainty that yes, something is working for the First Order.

And it's only matter of time before we are able to reinstate order once more through the galaxy.
beardstrokes: (The noble overcome)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-02 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
Is it order or subjugation? Because I find there's a line between the two. The Republic was able to keep peace without destruction. Why can't the Order? Are they simply not capable of it?
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[personal profile] therewillbeorder 2016-07-02 09:13 am (UTC)(link)
I believe the problem was that the Republic couldn't keep the peace any longer. Their methods weren't working and the war would have torn the galaxy further apart.

Sometimes methods have to be harsh but it's a necessary price to pay. One star system will serve as an example to others.

[And he felt no remorse about offering the Hosnian system up as that sacrifice.

It had even given him such a thrill at the time- it had been a truly beautiful and spectacular demonstration of power and supremacy for the galaxy.]
beardstrokes: (And end with the truth)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-02 09:19 am (UTC)(link)
But you're not the one paying for it. Other people have to pay the price for you to have your stability. Which brings me back to my point. Why can't the Order find another way?

[ Poe had mentioned that. It'll do no good for Obi-Wan to lose his temper here. ]

In fact, where is the order in your universe? Twenty years is quite some time.
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[personal profile] therewillbeorder 2016-07-02 09:27 am (UTC)(link)
We all have had to make sacrifices. If there is another why, then by all means I'm listening.

The First Order began as those who were loyal to the ideals of the Empire and sought to bring that stability to the New Republic.

Over time the interests of the First Order and the Republic began to diverge and it's only been relatively recently that we've had to take matters into our own hands as the New Republic floundered.

[He's going to just skip over the part where they violated treaties after the fall of the Empire to build up fleets and superweapons in secret in the Unknown Region.

No one needs to know those secrets here.]
beardstrokes: (Tests a soldier's heart)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-02 10:01 am (UTC)(link)
[ Obi-Wan shakes his head. ] Then listen to others first before me. I'm well aware you're not predisposed to taking my words at face value.

Maybe it'll help to do some research. Other worlds do seem to maintain order easily enough. Why not look into it?

I would also look a bit deeper into your own history. It helps to know, no matter what you believe.
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[personal profile] therewillbeorder 2016-07-02 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I'm not. You're a Jedi and I know you're bound to be biased just as I am sure you have a difficult time understanding the First Order.

[He was silent for a moment, frowning thoughtfully. As a cadet he had greater access to information than most others given his father's position in the Order so he was allowed to learn more of the Old Republic than others.]

The history of the First Order or the Empire?
beardstrokes: (Who a person truly is)

[personal profile] beardstrokes 2016-07-03 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
[ He rubs a hand through his beard. ]

Both. Though perhaps you should try doing it through different channels.

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