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[pain_train]

Who: Windrose crew and friends!
Broadcast: Nope
Action: All Windrose, all the time
When: In the general August area

[We may be sad to leave the beautiful planet behind, but we still have each other!]

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[unbearablynaive]

I'm very sorry to hear that.

Ah, back in that time, specifically. I know there are plenty of timelines that didn't have Captain America, but I haven't asked if they lacked Hydra as well. it was secretive enough that I doubt anyone aside from an historian could tell me, and I don't know that we have any of those aboard.

[passingthrough]

Thanks.

[She looks at him curiously because that name does ring a bell, but not from home.] I don't know anything about Hydra from my world if that helps. But I'm not a historian.

I have heard it mentioned here. By the man who looked just like Steve. He worked for them, didn't he?

[unbearablynaive]

[The man who--ah.

Jim's counterpart. The other Winter Soldier, as Jim had been the other Captain America.]

He did, if it's who I'm thinking of as well. They developed a great deal of the forces the Avengers of my world have stood in opposition to. Wanda and Pietro gained their powers thanks to Hydra experiments as well.

[passingthrough]

Orion. [Confirming the name he went by assuming Haunt's memory has it right. She thinks back to the things he'd told her. She'd liked the man easily at the time, but she wonders about his affiliations now.]

Did Hydra ever do other experiments on people?

[unbearablynaive]

[The Vision nods somberly. Orion and Jim had been their own special brand of pain and hope, and there's a part of him that wants to know how they would have handled the latest crisis - if it had happened at all for them.]

Yes. The Maximoff twins weren't the only test subjects in their group, just the only ones who survived the process. Prior to that, well, much of Hydra's work was secret but we do know they'd preserved the mind of a former Nazi scientist into a computer system, and one of their former members had had the same serum that Captain America did, reacting rather more poorly to it. And--there were others. many others, over the years.

[passingthrough]

...Those are the kind of people Orion worked for? [Looking a little stunned. None of that sounded good, but Orion seemed good. He, well, he reminded her of Steve. A more relateable Steve maybe. No childhood hero worship to overcome.]

[unbearablynaive]

Like with Bucky, I can imagine it wasn't exactly voluntary. It's a testament to both their characters that they managed to retain something of goodness under the stress of what they were forced to do over and over for decades.

[passingthrough]

He seemed to really believe in them. But... No, I guess that doesn't necessarily mean voluntary.

[unbearablynaive]

[He spreads his hands.]

I couldn't say for certain. There may be more differences in our timelines than I know.

But I take it you're familiar with the phrase Stockholm syndrome?

[passingthrough]

I am. And with brainwashing techniques. Apocalypse wasn't shy about employing them when needed.

[unbearablynaive]

[He nods.]

They attempted much the same with Wanda, from what I've gathered, but her particular abilities made it rather difficult for them to keep up the charade. She could sense their insincerity directly.

[passingthrough]

Seems like rule one of evil minioning should be making sure you don't make someone so powerful you can't control them, but all the better if they do their job badly.

[unbearablynaive]

[dryly]

One would think. Of course, when the results are unpredictable, they may intend one thing and have to deal with another.

[passingthrough]

That's true. It doesn't really sound like they knew what they were doing. Always the best plan when lives are on the line. [She does not like experimentation on people. Especially when it's not voluntary, and she assumes it was not.]

[unbearablynaive]

[For some it was voluntary. For others, not so much.]

That is one thing I'm grateful to Ultron for, actually. By creating me to bear the Mind Stone, it's at least keeping it out of the hands of those who'd use its powers on ordinary people. There won't be any more failed experiments of the same kind.

[passingthrough]

Sometimes things work out for the best. It also means we have you. [And that's clearly a good thing from her tone.]

[unbearablynaive]

That's very kind of you to say. Thank you, Kitty.