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stabsbothways ([personal profile] stabsbothways) wrote in [community profile] driftfleet2017-05-21 07:47 pm

Heron Mingle

Who: Heron Crew and Guests
Broadcast: n/a
Action: Aboard the Heron
When: May (feel free to backtag)

[ The heron has had a large exodus of people recently, and a few new members. It's almost like a new ship. ]
mucked: (☂ oh what a noble)

[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-27 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
[ that's a trickier question that it ought to be. steve wasn't here when she arrived, but there was a man with steve's face and the wrong history: some alternate version of him, twisted nearly beyond recognition. the most honest answer would carry too much nuance and disclaim.

so peggy falls back on what's easier. it, too, is true. in its own way. ]


I did. [ and then steve arrived, then steve left, then he arrived again. shrewdly: ] Why do you ask?
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[personal profile] wingedman 2017-05-27 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
I'm wondering what he was like when he got here. What sort of emotional state. 'Cause it's been a year, and he might be better now - might just pretending to be better, 'cause we both know Steve Rogers. But when we were back home, he wasn't doin' so hot.

[Understatement of the year award there.]

And if there's anyone he talks to about anything, it's probably you. Which doesn't mean you're going to tell me about it, but it's worth asking, I figure.
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[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-27 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
[ a breath she'd been holding now releases in a soft sigh. this isn't her ideal conversation -- far from it. but it's easier, if only because peggy's already well aware of what happens. happened. ]

You're not asking the right questions. [ a beat. ] It isn't your fault; you're freshly arrived. These aren't the sort of details that come up during orientation.

[ if this is going to be one of those conversations, then peggy breaks posture long enough to lean her shoulders against the corridor wall. ]

When Steve first arrived, he didn't come from 2016. But I'm assuming that's precisely when you're from, given your worry. [ she doesn't put so fine a point on it, but her meaning is clear: she knows. ]

Once here, all of us have the potential to fall into a kind of coma. When we wake up? We might have new memories. Fresh ones from home. That's what happened to him -- months ago, now.
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[personal profile] wingedman 2017-05-27 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I've said this before, but there really needs to be a goddamn guide to this.

[Sam sighs, his brow furrowed with concern. At least she knows why he's worried, which means that Steve didn't close himself off completely. She's got some idea of what went on, what Steve went through.]

Yeah, great, that's a fantastic way to handle things. You wake up, and suddenly there's a clusterfuck of new memories in your brain. [Sam closes his eyes for a moment.] So. What happened after that?
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[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-27 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Why are you asking me? Why not him?

[ -- she'd been so forthcoming thus far. but peggy pauses, now, to reassess the conversation. she mayn't know sam well, but it's enough to know that steve trusts him. more than that, she know steve feels responsible on top of all else. after all, he's not the only one who was suddenly a fugitive in over a hundred nations. he'd taken half his teammates with him. as vouches go, that one's significant. but she's never been one to make things easy.

and peggy suspects exactly why sam's asking her and not steve. perhaps she wants to hear it from sam's mouth, first. ]


You can't be so foolish as to think I'm prone to gossip.

[ least of all about him. ]
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[personal profile] wingedman 2017-05-27 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
Uh, because Steve's a delusional product of his time and too goddamn stubborn to admit to any sort of emotional problems, especially to another man? He was that way before and he only had the usual problems a combat vet frozen on ice for decades might have. God only knows what else he's developed.

[Sam shakes his head, and the look he gives Peggy is a little stern.]

And you're smart enough to know that this isn't gossip, that I'm asking for a reason, and that I wouldn't ask if I wasn't goddamn worried about him. If there's something wrong, Peggy, I want to be able to help. What happened back home was just- like a boiler under too much pressure for too long. I don't want him to get like that again.
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[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-27 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
[ his outpouring surprises her. not so much the sentiment -- that could be guessed at, assumed, predicted -- but rather the flush of words used to paint a broad picture of sam's concern. thing is, she isn't much accustomed to such frank emotional chatter either. she, too, is a product of her time. her stomach churns at the thought of anyone (anyone) discussing her in a manner so raw and open as the one employed when sam attempts to discuss steve.

but there are bits that ring too true. like a boiler, sam says, under too much pressure. she'd read it in the lines of steve's posture once she'd finally tracked him down, months past. that afternoon marked the first time he'd slept in her bed; afterward, it seemed she'd have no hope of prying him from the room. and at least this way she knows he sleeps.

peggy cards her fingers through her curls, teasing her thumb along her temple. sam must understand, she hopes, that nothing about this is simple for her. she hates discussing steve with other people -- it runs against every grain in her soul. ]


No, you're right. [ wait for it. ] It's far from gossip. But nor is it proper that I should jumped headlong into a conversation as weight as this one while we're slumming about in the bloody hallway.

[ like pulling teeth. ]

I presume you know the way to the Heron's kitchen?
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[personal profile] wingedman 2017-05-27 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
[He's not surprised by that, frankly, just from what he knows about Peggy. A woman surrounded by men can't allow herself to be emotional, not when the men would use any emotion to bring her down. And as for the war - Peggy experienced the same sort of things Steve did, although she's (presumably) been able to decompress, to recover from her experiences in a healthier manner than suddenly finding herself in a new time and place. (Given time, Sam will probably develop a certain level of concern for Peggy and her well-being.)

He gives her a tight smile and fits the panel back in place easily.]


You're right, I should've offered you a cup of tea first. But you've been around Americans long enough to know we have terrible manners.

-although, [he adds as he heads down the corridor in the direction of the kitchen,] you can't tell me that the tea in space is decent by your standards.
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[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-27 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
Rubbish, mostly.

[ warm, rich tones seep back into her voice the moment she can fall back on neutral conversation. like pulling on a familiar jacket. she's clearly steadier, here, treading ground that goes nowhere near the tremulous hours spent with steve in the wake of his memories hitting him. ]

But I have my sources. [ ... ] Very rarely must I settle for the bog standard swill the dispensers pass as tea. [ green tea, at that. ] However, I can't speak to this ship's stores.

[ good lord, she's going to have to settle for coffee. isn't she? generally, she does slum it with coffee on the heron -- but that's to humour barnes, like adding another brick to their shored up friendship.

regardless, she follows. ]
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[personal profile] wingedman 2017-05-27 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't done much investigating, but you're probably going to be disappointed here.

[Although the kitchen is less of a disappointment than Sam might have thought. From the way everyone's talked about the food, he'd expected more gel everywhere. There's actually cooking equipment, though the space is cramped, and he's not sure what sort of ingredients are available (he'll have to look later). A bit of investigation turns up both a coffeepot and grounds, and he raises an eyebrow at Peggy.]

How's coffee? Not too blasphemous?
mucked: (☂ measured in coffee spoons)

[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-27 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
Utterly blasphemous. [ peggy enters the kitchen as though she's comfortable with it. familiar. she beelines for a spot at the galley table, sliding into a seat. ] But I'll take a cup. As long as you're confident you can swear to me you'll never tell Steve.

[ it's a sly sort of request. she doesn't just mean the coffee, although that's an important secret to keep. peggy also expects sam to hold his tongue about anything she might divulge going forward in this little tete-a-tete.

so she continues her sad little tradition of enduring coffee aboard the heron. ]
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[personal profile] wingedman 2017-05-27 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
He'll never hear a word of it from me.

[Sam grasps the double-talk; obviously the coffee isn't the root of the matter here. And of course he won't tell Steve about their conversation, because he's not dumb enough to risk future intel.

(Plus he already likes Peggy and simply doesn't want to make her angry by betraying her confidence.)

Sam fills the coffeepot with water and sets it to brew before he takes a seat at the table, directly across from Peggy.]


Shellshock. [He begins simply, with a single word.] That's what you call it. We call it post-traumatic stress disorder, because it doesn't just happen to soldiers. It can happen to anyone who experiences a traumatic event, no matter how minor. Or how major.
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[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-27 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
[ a slow, knowing nod. ]

I'm actually aware of the updated terminology. [ it's a wonder the things she's learned after living in space. some horizons have been truly expanded; others merely gain new window-dressing. still, she frowns. ] Mostly because my pilot shows rather serious symptoms. From time to time. Most recently it took both Steve and myself to subdue him during an episode.

[ -- and there she goes, deflecting smoothly off steve's emotional state and delving into someone else's. it's her best and easiest access point; whether she'll manage to loop back around to steve himself is yet to be seen. ]
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[personal profile] wingedman 2017-05-27 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
[Sam actually winces at that, because oh Jesus, they're stuck on a spaceship with someone who has episodes that are severe enough to need restraint? Please just ignore him while he scrubs his face with a hand.]

Christ.

[There's a whole dictionary of meaning in that single word, and years of experience behind it. He breathes in through his nose, then, slowly, out through his mouth.

(And, also, he takes note of the way she quite deliberately directs the conversation away from Steve.)]


If you think he'd be willing to open up about it to a total stranger - and from the sound of it, that's not likely - then have him come talk to me. I help vets at home, so I have experience with it.

[Which is why he's asking about Steve.]
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[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-27 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
[ she watches for his reaction -- nodding through it, too. until peggy offers scant additional details: ] He's not much willing to open up about it to anyone, really. But he's been here nearly as long as I have. Progress has been made. Slow; agonizing. I'd have warned you anyway on your first visit to the Starstruck. He sticks to the shuttle bay and if a fresh face startles him? Well, he's lashed out before.

[ she's circumspect in her explanation. that said, her tone isn't without affection. max is dear to her, in his own way. he'd been little more than feral when he'd arrived; since then, she's seen him take such leaps and bounds.

more importantly, however, peggy gets what she's been fishing for: sam's angle in all of this. friendship, certainly, but there's a professional edge to the inquiry. ]


What sort of help?

[ she needs it justified, perhaps, before she'll go on the record about steve. ]
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[personal profile] wingedman 2017-05-27 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
That sounds like a severe case to me - years of trauma, I'd guess. His brain gets stuck in fight or flight mode easily because that's what it's used to, hence the lashing out. It's good that you've made progress, but there's still a hell of a long way to go. I can teach coping mechanisms to both of you, 'cause it's hard to remember them in the middle of an episode, and sometimes it helps to have someone there who knows what you're supposed to do. Help him figure out what's most likely to trigger it, and any ways around that.

[Sam gives her a slightly wry smile. His credentials might make her clam up about herself, but what can he do?] After I came back from Afghanistan, I wanted to help people. So I went back to school and got a degree in psychology, with a focus on treating patients with PTSD. I've been working for the VA - the Department of Veteran's Affairs - for years, running group sessions for vets. I'm a licensed therapist.
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[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-27 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
[ she doesn't confirm nor deny how close to the quick sam finds himself with his postulation. peggy might never have seen the wasteland from whence max comes, but she's heard enough of his stories. she's sat next to him through night-terrors, and been fool enough to shake him awake. peggy had suffered a black eye for that one; at the time, it had felt deserved.

she doesn't think max will take well to 'coping mechanisms' -- but, for her part, she feels primed to learn how she might be able to help him help himself. her current compassion can only take her so far. and, god, if steve hadn't been with them during that last episode...?

peggy doesn't want to think about what she might have had to do. what max insisted she should have done.

but! as for sam himself: ]


I've never heard of anything like it. [ it goes without saying that such support was rather lacking in the atmosphere she returned to, after the war. her only real run-in with a therapist had been with dr. fenhoff, and that had left a most sour taste in her mouth. but peggy's clever enough not to conflate the two, even without steve's friendship to vouch for sam. ]

Or -- that's not fair. I've heard. But it never seems like the sort of thing anyone ever actually does.

[ 'get help'. ]
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[personal profile] wingedman 2017-05-28 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, well, in your time? It's not. But in 2016, twenty veterans kill themselves every day. There's more acknowledgment that people need help, that they need different training before they're shipped out, counseling afterwards. We try to learn from the mistakes of the past. It's not kids killing themselves when they come back, it's guys who were in Vietnam decades ago, because, like you and Steve, they don't seek out help. That's not what their generation does. That's not what your generation did.

[He hesitates for a moment, then adds:]

But it's what I did.

[Sam meets her eyes with a clear, steady gaze. It's not normally something he admits to people this early on in an acquaintance, but this is important.]
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[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-28 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
[ she has a knee-jerk reaction. indignation -- the indulgence of a stigma she didn't even know she had, and even now might still try to deny. peggy doesn't much like the way he slides steve's name (and hers) in with a larger tapestry. it makes her mouth go dry; her jaw stiffen. whatever truth there might be in it, she doesn't want to recognize. almost refuses to.

but there comes the volta upon which the entire narrative twists. but that's what i did, sam says, and she has the good sense to mediate some of the insult before-now written plainly on her face. ]


And it's what you want for him.

[ -- steve. her observation shouldn't be mistaken for a concession. peggy's not ready to talk. not about herself; not about steve. but she might be prepared to listen. ]
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[personal profile] wingedman 2017-05-28 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
[He's not necessarily implying that she has a full-blown mental illness; for one thing, he doesn't know nearly enough to make any sort of call about that. But he's guessing that she experienced the same trauma that the men on the front lines did, and that, in and of itself, is worth a counseling session or two. To exorcise the ghosts, so to speak, because he knows that wartime experiences are the things simply Not Talked About in her time.]

Even if he wasn't my best friend, I would. And since he is - I've been worrying about him for years, Peggy. It's only gotten worse over time. I wanna know what you saw, and I want your perspective on it, 'cause you know how to read him in ways that someone else wouldn't. You know the Steve beneath it all, because no matter how hard he tries to shut the rest of the world out, he's not gonna do that to you.
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[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-28 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
[ it troubles her how right he is -- not for the facts themselves, but that they should be so easily deduced. either history is too telling of her affection for the man, or the man himself has worn too much of his heart on his sleeve. and for a long time she couldn't figure out why sam should know what he knows. peggy's met others from the future; they didn't catch on to the depth of her connection to steve quite so readily as sam has. she can't believe it's only because of his profession.

so why?

but then it clicks. 2016, and the sharp nature of sam's concern. he would have been privy to the grief surrounding what will, one day, be her funeral. and in that wake she suspects even steve might show a bit too much of an old flame they might both have otherwise kept buried. she tilts her head -- inquisitive, hungry, but unwilling to toe that line just yet. silently, she wonders if he was there. ]


You understand why it would feel a great deal like a betrayal. [ she counters, although it's not an outright refusal. ] I see what I see because I'm allowed to see it. Not something I care to risk.
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[personal profile] wingedman 2017-05-28 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
[Peggy's death is, in Sam's mind, something of a catalyst for the whole mess surrounding the Accords, for Steve's emotional turmoil over that time. He has a few guesses, but only time will tell if he's right - and maybe not even then. Too many emotional blows in sharp succession, too much pressure, one friendship strained to breaking-

Sam isn't sure he would've been able to hold himself together. He doesn't blame Steve for it, he just wants his friend to accept that there's something wrong, that he needs help.]


I know it does. I'm not going to confront him with anything; whatever you decide to tell me will just be between the two of us. Hell, I'm not going to confront him at all, because you know what he's like if you try to do that. He just digs his heels in and gets even more stubborn about it. I just want to know, that's all. To fill in the blanks that I missed, and go from there.
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[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-28 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
Whatever I might say doesn't need to get back to him for it to remain a betrayal. [ simply saying some of what she could say -- revealing some of what she could reveal -- might cross a line she isn't prepared to cross. what passes between steve and peggy these days persists in a particular kind of bubble: the sort that exists outside of time. their congress here won't come again, not as they know each other now.

it's freeing; she and steve are at liberty to say things to one another they mightn't tell anyone else. on top of this, peggy carter remains a spy at heart. she cannot help but consider the currency of information. ]


I may be able to fill in a few of those blanks, as you call them. [ but not all. ]
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[personal profile] wingedman 2017-05-28 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
Whatever you feel comfortable telling me.

[He'd never expected to hear all of it; Sam doesn't want to peel away all their intimacies and pry into their innermost secrets. He simply wants to know how Steve had dealt with the aftermath of the disaster at the Accords, in Leipzig and Siberia. How that might still haunt him.]

Let me guess, you want information? [Sam might not be a spy, but it's easy to figure out how Peggy's mind works.]
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[personal profile] mucked 2017-05-28 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
He's been my only source on what happened.

[ for reasons that should be obvious, she hasn't pumped barnes for information. and getting information out of natasha can sometimes be like pulling teeth. peggy hasn't opted for any sort of hard interrogation of steve and what he'd went through -- for once, she's been patient. letting him tell her as he needed. ]

And it goes without saying that he is plenty biased.

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